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Dave stark
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Posted - 2012.11.18 11:05:00 -
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sell charon use cash to crate red frog contracts ???? profit. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.18 11:06:00 -
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Riddick Liddell wrote:Boomhaur wrote:Freighters have enough EHP as it is, their one of the highest EHP ships in Eve, especially high sec. If you want complete security hello kitty online is that way ---> www.hellokittyonline.comEve will not provide security you have to play smart in order to survive. Don't fly anything that is remotely profitable to gank you in high sec, and don't afk. Go back to WoW lost the touch? We need to abuse Hello Kitty now? It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.
considering on WoW gankers don't feel any repercussions like concord action, in this case WoW is an even more cold and harsh place than empire space in eve. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.18 11:10:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets. So, what, you want bumping to be removed from the game too, now?
let's cut to the chase; remove all legitimate activities in eve and remove the undock button. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.18 13:17:00 -
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Lorna Mood wrote:My objection to hi sec freighter ganking is that it cannot be defended against.
Scout ahead? Scout for what exactly? The gankers don't sit in the system, they warp in after the freighter has been bumped to stop it aligning. That's just stupid game mechanics, like knocking a jumbo jet off course by flying a cessna close to it.
Don't carry any cargo worth more than a half a billion? Even if that supposedly helps it renders frieghters totally useless as a ship class. Is that by design? I don't think so.
I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit. I wasn't AFK, yes I CAN afford to lose it, no I'm not stupid and no, I'm not whining about losing a ship, I really don't give a XXXX. I have however still cancelled my accounts as I am not comfortable with the game mechanic that allows a freighter to be killed so easily with zero risk.
Flame me all you like about 'rage quitting' but it's nothing like that. If you see what you think is a flaw which spoils a game for you then you stop playing it, no matter what game it is.
And no, you can't have my stuff before some highly unoriginal child asks.
bumping is not an exploit, it has been stated many times. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
656
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Posted - 2012.11.18 13:33:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:when people say 'no risk' in regards to suicide ganking for profit I think what they are usually trying to say is that for the gankers they're able to calculate the number of ships and DPS to almost be assured of a successful gank
it's still a wrong thing to say, of course, i imagine it's pretty easy to foul up a gank because three people disconnected halfway through and one was burping the worm when the call went out
besides if they took the effort to organise and calculate the odds of success i think they're entitled to a reward
also it's possible that the gankers fail because the freighter/barge took some basic precautio- oh
gankers calculate how much dps is needed to take down a freighter, and thus how much loot has to be in a freighter for it to be worth ganking.
why can't freighter pilots do the same calculation and then work out how much loot is the limit to carry before they become a space pinata?
are freighter pilots unable to do basic mathematics? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
656
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Posted - 2012.11.18 13:39:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Dave stark wrote:gankers calculate how much dps is needed to take down a freighter, and thus how much loot has to be in a freighter for it to be worth ganking.
why can't freighter pilots do the same calculation and then work out how much loot is the limit to carry before they become a space pinata?
are freighter pilots unable to do basic mathematics? Do the same line of reasoning for mining barges, and see how that worked out. You can probably assume that the same thing is going to happen for freighters.
i'm not so sure.
mining barges needed rebalancing, regardless of hulkageddon and ganking. also the crucial difference is that an EMPTY exhumer was profitable to gank. is an empty freighter profitable to gank?
there are some subtle but important differences. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
656
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Posted - 2012.11.18 13:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
i'm not so sure.
mining barges needed rebalancing, regardless of hulkageddon and ganking. also the crucial difference is that an EMPTY exhumer was profitable to gank. is an empty freighter profitable to gank?
there are some subtle but important differences.
Barges were only profitable if they fitted no tank and full rack of t2 mining lasers and MLU. Just about every subcap can be ganked for profit if they fit no tank and have a t2 fitting.
yes, however to gank most of those other ships you need something other than a 14 day old character in a catalyst.
i doubt you'd be able to take down an untanked damnation with the same setup. could you? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
657
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:
Don't politic me. You are sploiting.
Again, plese show us what rules we are supposedly breaking.
you know it's not going to happen by virtue of this thread containing a link to the exact opposite. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:36:00 -
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i'm impressed this waterfall of tears is still flowing. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:i'm impressed this waterfall of tears is still flowing. Its amazing how much more effort these people are willing to put into there forum whines yet are unable to do a task as simple as not transporting 6 billon in the hold while AFK through the most well known piracy hotspot in EVE.
i totally agree.
not to mention, for the cost of their freighter they could pay for over 150 red frog contracts between jita and dodixie. i did train this character to fly a charon, then i realised the price of a charon along with the fact i couldn't afford to replace it if i lost one.
hauling things your self is honestly not worth the risk for the laughably low amount of isk people like RF/push etc ask. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
660
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:32:00 -
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McBorsk wrote:Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.
could change every system in the game to 1.0. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
660
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Double. Wrap. seriously. I moved 10+ full freighter loads this weekend, no issues. Gypsy Band and The Initiative. were around. This is just a ploy to get more frighters carrying 10bil+ worth of goods. Touch+¬ powers. Or double wrapped tritainium 
this is my new policy. when ever i'm flying around in an ibis or inty it'll have a double wrapped trit. people will think it's plex. i will laugh at them. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
663
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I wonder how long it will take before Enderailen becomes a standard landing spot for JFs trying to bypass the whole Niarja-Uedama-Urlen triangle.
i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dave stark wrote:i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something. That will depend on how many start to double-wrap even nigh-worthless stuff (on the scale of things). If no-one does that, wraps just signal that you're carrying something valuable, at which point it'll be worth the 50/50-gamble on making it drop. GǪand by the looks of things so far, it's more a case of the latter: it's far more likely to be valuable and people like to gamble every now and then.
it can be a new game, we shall call it "freighter roulette!" (original, i know) Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.19 19:20:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Dave stark wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday. Still waiting on that killmail. christmas will come sooner. So will 2015. But hey, if there's anything the recent election should have taught everyone, it's that lying is the fastest and easiest way to convince people you're right and that your problem is real when it isn't.
i thought the recent election proved that when you go black you can't go back *shrug* Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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